11 June 2009

Polling bullshit from mayor

If Doc O’Keefe, the mayor of a Great Sittee, actually has a poll that shows him with numbers he is very comfortable with, then he’d release the whole thing.

The fact he won’t release the poll to local media suggests the numbers are a lot less rosy than O’Keefe is claiming.

That would also explain why the deputy mayor  - Ron Ellsworth - is getting his team ready for a run at the Barking-Lounger job made famous by Andy Wells and now occupied by the less-than-impressive O’Keefe.

Show us the numbers, Doc and maybe we’ll believe you.  Otherwise, that clocking noise we hear is probably your knees knocking together.

Or maybe the clock ticking out on your time as head of the Great Sittee.

-srbp-

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Politicians like Doc are symptamatic of ones who change stances like they change their underwear. He is afraid to take a stand on principal but has no proble flip flopping after reading and re-reading the tea leaves on a particular issue. This city needs real leadership and it needs to get its fiscal house in order.

Elling said...

It definitely is curious.

My feeling is the polling went something like this.

Anonymous said...

With raised eyebrow, I am a little intrigued with Doc'c poll strategy. According to CBC Doc has offered the poll results to Elsworth if he pays half the costs.

This is all intriguing to me because I don't think Doc has a strategic bone in his body yet the comment is very strategic and political in nature. The results are not at issue, but the jockeying that will surely follow is certainly entertaining.

Has Doc employed an operative??

Let's hope that other people show an interest in the office.....the current gene puddle is pretty shallow


Anthony Roy

Edward G. Hollett said...

Doc's use of his polling results is pretty amateurish.

Politicos don't talk about their own polls publicly. They talk about their messages. They use their poll results to guide the campaign.

They aren't about horse-races and I suspect that's all Doc had done: a simple horse-race poll.

If Doc was stunned enough to talk about a poll publicly then he is obliged, out of decency and out of respect for voters, to share the results. Let's see what the horse-race numbers look like.

He's not going to give Ron anything special since Ron's team can do and likely have done some pretty savvy polling. All jokes aside, Ron ran a highly polished campaign in 2005 staffed by people who know what they are on about.

Doc should be shaking in his runners at the prospect of going up against them.

And that's the thing: a bunch of hard-core politicos can take a candidate who is 40 points behind at the start and put him or 40 points ahead by the end.

When Ron declares in a couple of weeks, my money would be on Ellsworth. Not only does he have a good team, the guy has improved drmataically over the past four years. Despite a few miss-steps, Ellsworth has matured into a solid candidate with good ideas, good intentions and the ability to make things happen.

Even if Doc scores higher on name recognition right now, come September, he'll have nothing to look forward to but more time to go for long walks.

Anonymous said...

When Ron declares in a couple of weeks!!!

I think it is safe to say Ron has declared he will run.

Gentlemen start your engines. Let the BBQ season begin.

Now who wants onions and who doesn’t.
Does anybody have a serious strategy?
Now would we class a slip-up as in Mustard on ones shirt
wow

Anonymous said...

Wow, I guess you have it all figuered out!!...but I have a few comments nevertheless

Politicos don't talk about their own polls publicly

Nonsense , it happens all the time. Questions on polling and comments eminating from polling, happen all the time and in every election.

If Doc was stunned enough to talk about a poll publicly then he is obliged, out of decency and out of respect for voters, to share the results.

No, he is not obliged to say anything about poll results, except what he wants to release. Sorry, but respect and decency have nothing to do with this issue. The electorate will find their own litmus to decide decency and respect.

When Ron declares in a couple of weeks, my money would be on Ellsworth

Yea. God knows how much money was spent on his last election. Money will buy this one too! Look at the competeition for heven's sake. Sounds like you are putting your money in a GIC

All jokes aside,

What jokes are you referring.

Ellsworth has matured into a solid candidate with good ideas

We will never agree on this. Let's just say that I could sum up Elsworth on one Twitter post and still have character space!

Before you hitch your wagon you should get a read from the staff and associates about Mr. Elsworth and his appraoch to things at the Gower bunker. And what a read it would be!!

Just wondering....will you be working or providing advise, if asked, to team Elsworth

Anthony Roy

Edward G. Hollett said...

1. There may be commentators who talk about horserace polls - i.e. who is in front, etc - but the real polling is never discussed publicly. The horserace stuff occupies the media and that's all fine and good.

When was the last time you heard anyone actually involved in a campaign talking about the research into their opponent's negatives and what their numbers showed?

The answer would be: never.

2. If Doc has any regard at all for voters he'd now show us all his polling since he entered into the public discussion. Anything else makes him look like a boob, a noob or a knob.

He should be talking about his ideas or something of substance rather than what his "polling" supposedly shows. The whole "I had a number in mind" and things were better than that is just meaningless bullshit.

3. Last time out, Ellsworth spent buckets. I blogged it some time ago that on a cost-per-vote basis he blew a wad. Still, the people aound him were pretty experienced campaigners.

4. I never said Ron was the reincarnation of Kennedy and Einstein. He's got some good ideas and, as someone else put it, in politics you only have to be better than the other guy.

Doc sets the bar low.

5. If there's any substance to interpersonal problems, then they can and should surface.

6. To answer your last question, simply: No.

Anonymous said...

good question to Bond Papers
will Bond Papers
be working or providing advice to team Elsworth (spin etc and internet Noise)
has mr Hollet been contracted or paid to be apart of TEAM RON

Edward G. Hollett said...

2339:

You need to learn how to read.

The answer to your question was posted seven minutes before you asked it.

Anonymous said...

When was the last time you heard anyone actually involved in a campaign talking about the research into their opponent's negatives and what their numbers showed?

The last time (that I remember) was during the 1996 election when Tim Powers, on behalf of Paul Browne, spoke about Joan Marie Aylward. The comments about polling and their numbers, as well as the associated neagtives all resulted in Tim stepping aside.

Anthony Roy

Edward G. Hollett said...

Interesting, if obscure, example.

Anonymous said...

"And that's the thing: a bunch of hard-core politicos can take a candidate who is 40 points behind at the start and put him or 40 points ahead by the end."

Gee,

Lono must have been really behind, at the start?

Ken H.

Edward G. Hollett said...

Cutem ken. real cute, but in the context it should have been easy to see I was talking about Ellsworth.

For the record, in the council race for 'at large" in 2005, Lono came from obscurity to finishing in the middle of the pack all for the princely sum of about 3K (and 8800 votes) if memory serves.

I doubt you'll find any other campaign with that kind of cost per vote. Certainly I'd put it up against the provincial Tory campaign on that basis counting spending commitments not - as we discovered - the stuff they promised but didn't deliver on time.

Anonymous said...

so if Ron Ellsworth is not paying Eddy Hollett... what 3 step away group, company,or consultation is?.
Ron & Ed are so far apart in the political spectrum and yes Color is an important part of human expression Ed Being Yellow and well Ron beging Indigo
i smell rotten fish

Edward G. Hollett said...

If you smell rotten fish 1237, then perhaps you should take your head out of whatever orifice it is stuck in and try letting some fresh air in.

As for yellow, that's pretty rich coming from someone trafficking in unfounded personal smears and lacking the courage to sign your name.

Anonymous said...

electing Ron ellsworth is electing Danny williams as mayor.